Sunday, September 30, 2007

And, if the whole world one day came to its senses and called a spade a spade, would anything actually happen?

One of the reasons* I choose (and it is a choice) to be a blogger (a word I still don't like) more than a bona fide print journalist, busting my tuckus to get the story, is because I have a problem accepting the fact that I just don’t know everything. I have a hard time writing sentences that include phrases like “Taiwanese people think…” or “French people aren’t…” because I know too many people from too many from too many different places who agree and too many people from one place who all disagree. Yet, it seems to me that you have to be able to make those sort of judgments — or pretend that such judgments (which is a nice way of saying “reckless generalizations") hold water.

I mention this because I have, for quite some time, wanted to write about the steady flow of news that is the Taiwan UN Saga. I’ve been trying to tame my inner Zach de la Rocha and force myself to make sure I know all of the facts as best I can. This is the other reason I couldn’t work for a newspaper, because I like to back up everything that I can. I could never write a sentence like “Taiwan and China have been separate since the KMT fled to the island in 1949,” the shear amount of historical discrepancy that is stated as fact would give me cold sweats — and unfortunately, no newspaper would print “Taiwan and China may or may not have separated because of the KMT’s arrival on the island in 1949, seeing as there is debate over the word 'separate' due to the fact that there were people on said island before, some of whom were of Chinese descent, others of aboriginal, and still others of Japanese or mix origins. Even if there were people of Chinese descent on the island at the time, there are also a fair amount of people who contest the KMT's legal claim to the Qing Dynasty’s old territories because (1) the Qing didn’t actually control the whole island (2) Taiwan still technically belonged to the Japanese when the KMT came (3) the Taiwanese people had already displayed a desire for self-government.” These newspapers have space to save, you know, so they’ve got to pack these facts in.

As I said, I’ve been trying to be honest with myself and make sure that I’m not just caving to what seems in my gut to be the right thing (Taiwan being an independent country, or at least a member of the UN nations, the WHO, and certain international economic organizations that hold statehood as a prerequisite) and try to get a grip on what the opposing arguments (other than China’s) actually are.

One thing, though, I can’t get passed in all of my searching is the nagging feeling that Taiwan is being snubbed, nagged, and shunned by and large for fear of what China might do. If Taiwan does anything to exercise what is its right as a functioning, democratic, developed country — tries to enter the WHO or the UN, asserts its national identity, scraps the symbolic unification council, or eats with its elbows on the table — it's Taiwan that receives the blame for China’s heavy-handed response.

Meanwhile, China can pile missiles (now over a thousand) on the other side of the Strait. It’s alright because the lapse is a result of Taiwan’s provocation. Taiwan should know that exercising what should be its right as a sovereign nation is, for China, reason to threaten a war that holds disastrous global implications. Keep in mind, Taiwan has not to my knowledge threatened China militarily. It is China that is peppering its coast with strong arms and threatening to use them, yet it is Taiwan who is violating the almighty status quo (which is Latin for "three way mirror").

The “reasonable,” don’t-just-go-with-your-gut side of me wanted to say, “But consider what so many people are pushing for.” This is to say, there are those who are appeasing China and placating Taiwan just as long as it takes for China to be a respectable, democratic country, so that there would be no risk of war if Taiwan declared independence — or even the possibility that Taiwan would accept becoming a part of this future China.

That’s great. I have grave doubts that it’ll happen that way, though. I believe in markets and globalization. I believe in the good that comes from a world where countries are more and more integrated into a global trade network, making them think twice about bombing so-and-so for whatnot. It should be very clear — for all of those who may think I’m just a hawk who gets warm-fuzzies thinking of the charred remains of those who “deserved it” — I don’t want war. I hope that it will never come to that.

Yet, I don’t believe in denying Taiwan what it deserves for the sake of holding back a seething beast (NOTE: this is not my view of China, it is my view of the PLA). The Taiwanese should not — and probably will not — wait to be recognized for what their country is — a sovereign, democratic, developed, and independent.

As for appeasing China, take what President Chen said recently:
We appeal to the democratic world to support us. Think of the historic example of the 1938 Munich Agreement, under which Hitler was granted the Sudetenland region. England and France wanted to appease him, but only one year later the Second World War broke out. If we make compromises with a dictatorship today we will only encourage other dictators. Small countries will suffer as a result.
Just as recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation might be the spark that set the prairie fire going — “provoking” an attack from China — appeasing China isn’t a guaranteed preclusion of an attack, either.

I think, as the world is starting to see more and more, now with Myanmar, that China is helping out a lot of shady folks, this will only add more fuel to the fire burning in Taiwan. One complication is that Bush, the Decider, doesn’t believe in talking to enemies (cue picture of Reagan with Gorbachev at the height of the Cold War) so China holds much more sway than it should in negotiating with strange folk.

In light of all of this, one nagging question persists: Taiwan and China are already separate — I don’t think anyone honestly denies that. They have their own governments, their own currencies, their own laws. What, theoretically, would happen if the whole world was suddenly behind Taiwan? If the entire world said Taiwan is a sovereign, independent member of the international community, what would China be able to do about it? An attack would have no credibility. Moreover, if China didn’t attack, nothing would actual happen — other than de jure status for a country that has for decades had de facto independence. Trade would carry on. Taiwanese people would still invest in China, wouldn’t they?

Is there something I’m not seeing? Isn't recognition across the board better for the world than this theater that we have now?

* The other being the fact that I can use "I" and write things as I see them, not pretending that what I write is just what other people saw, and say what I think, instead of having to find someone who believes the same thing as me so that I can indirectly say what I believe. I like Joseph Addison journalism, not NY Times journalism.

18 comments:

  1. The Japanese surrendered "Taihoku" (台北) to the KMT on October 25, 1945, four years before the KMT lost the civil war on the mainland.

    From what I've read,the KMT was in a considerably stronger position than the communists were in 1945. Trying to deal with the communists and the warlord problem simultaneously, hyper inflation, corruption and an increase in popular support for communism eroded their power considerably over those years (1945-1949).

    I can see what you're saying about it being tough to be a reporter. It would really, really be frustrating to write for a living and see my work rabidly attacked by bloggers day in and day out.

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  2. The date in 1949 is just another stipulation:

    If we recognize that "Taiwan Retrocession Day" does not exist ..... that October 25, 1945, was only the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan, then we have a good start in defeating the "successor government theory." Under international law, "military occupation" does not transfer sovereignty.

    Additionally we have to recognize that the territorial sovereignty of "Formosa and the Pescadores" was not transferred to the ROC in the post war treaty, i.e. the San Francisco Peace Treaty of April 28, 1952. So, the ROC in Taiwan is a government without a "territory" ....... or more correctly speaking it is fulfilling the dual roles of a "subordinate occupying power" (beginning October 25, 1945) and a "government in exile" (beginning December 1949).


    http://www.taiwanadvice.com/1china_wwii.htm

    I'm not saying you're wrong, Mark, just that I don't think it's that clear-cut.

    Also, to my knowledge, Japan didn't cede Taiwan to someone. Rather, they just renounced their claims to the island.

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  3. I can see what you're saying about it being tough to be a reporter. It would really, really be frustrating to write for a living and see my work rabidly attacked by bloggers day in and day out.

    Hey, it's just as frustrating to be a blogger hacked on by a reporter. :)

    Great post, Robert.

    Michael

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  5. But, Michael, the reporters aren't rabid! As of now, three reporters I know, two of them card-carrying greens, have been attacked by foreign bloggers here.

    It drives away people such as myself who originally had no feelings either way, and it's the last kind of advocacy you want.

    BTW, I wanna "laowai duel" you on the economy. You're gung ho on it, I'm not, and I think we can both make good cases.

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  6. So, the ROC in Taiwan is a government without a "territory" ....... or more correctly speaking it is fulfilling the dual roles of a "subordinate occupying power" (beginning October 25, 1945) and a "government in exile" (beginning December 1949).

    http://www.taiwanadvice.com/1china_wwii.htm

    I'm not saying you're wrong, Mark, just that I don't think it's that clear-cut.


    If you use political advocacy sites as your sources, nothing is clear cut- not global warming, not the status of Iran's terrorist activities, not evolution, not the holocaust... nothing!

    I learned something about this back when I was studying Japanese. Under the terms of the Japanese unconditional surrender at the end of WWII, Japanese troops were specifically ordered to surrender to Nationalist troops and not to the Communists. General MacArthur was officially made Shogun, and his orders had legal weight.

    Wiki isn't the best source, but they have something about that here

    It's possible that history books I read before were off. But, a political advocacy site is the last place I'd trust to give me a realistic picture of the world.

    In any case, this matter isn't really about history or international law. Like most political issues, it's more about power politics. I'm sure that's what most reporters have to report.

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  7. Perhaps a bit off topic, but I've been reading your blog for some time and I've really enjoyed seeing an alternate "foreign" view of Taiwan, one that is reasoned and logical, and that's something that I appreciate throughout all your posts.

    Which makes me wonder... why are you connected with Pajamas Media, home of oftentimes *somewhat* illogical argument?

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  8. Hey Rob Hey Mark:
    "Laowai Duel" hahahaha... ^_^

    This might be off topic, but it's 1.30 am and somehow I really wanted to share this piece of info.

    Even Chen-Kai-Shek him self had declared that ROC had ended. According to a speech he gave to his cabinets at Yung-Ming Resort on March-13, 1950, He specific state that "...I am reminding everyone here today that R.O.C. is no more, R.O.C. had ended with fall of mainland..."....(蔣總統集 Vol 2, by 國防研究院 )

    If ROC had ended back then, the KMT was simply "occupying force". But China still don't have claim on Taiwan was NEVER part of China. It was not even included on Qing and Ming territory map.

    Ming and Qing Dynasity never offcially claimed Taiwan. Taiwan was alway a piece of island that nobody want. The original occupant were of course the aboriginal population French and Dutch. The remain of Ming Dynasty did fleet to Taiwan and claim to be the "King Of Taiwan" which were quickly put out by Qing government. However Qing never appoint any "Governor". Qing merely had a navy outpost there with a "commander" to keep Dutch and Japanese pirates away. Province government official position at that time to the general population were not to move to island outside Qing land (Taiwan) since it's very dangerous.

    So the argument that Taiwan was historically part of China was totally off. Dutch had official Formosa governor (last one was Frederick Coyett, 1662), French had official governor (Amédée Courbet), Japan had official governor....But not any of Chinese government. Perhaps R.O.C. as "Military Occupation"

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  9. Mr. Lee, thanks for the reference to that book. Unfortunately, my Chinese is still barely at the "Apple Daily" level, so I'm not sure how I'd do with it, but I would like to take a look. BTW, do you have any authoritative source supporting what you said about the Qing never having had any claim? I've read just the opposite.

    The "laowai duel" I referred to is basically a four-part debate with another foreigner about something. Each side gets to make an opening argument and then a rebuttal. Last time, it was me and Prince Roy dueling over the road signs. I thought they should have tone marks over the pinyin and he didn't. I don't want to duel over Taiwan's history.

    I don't know it well enough and I'm not interested in politics for the most part. The economy, though, is another matter. I'm bearish and I need a bull to spar with!

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  10. Steve, thanks for the complement. I'm doing my best not to move to far to one side or the other, unless I have reason.

    As for why I'm with Pajamas Media, well, I'm trying to find a way to get paid for what I love doing (studying and writing). In the past, a lot of interesting blogs that I've read were on Pajamas Media, so I decided that right now it's the best thing for me.

    Mr. Lee (and Mark, I guess), I'm still doing my best to sort out the history of Taiwan (including all of the agreements, territorial claims, etc. that make up its relation to China).

    From what I know, the Qing didn't ever control the whole island, but I think the Qing did consider Taiwan, officially, a piece of their pie.

    Mark, I mention you, because I want to make clear that I've still got a lot of learning to do. However, I had the understanding that Taiwan was official a part of Japan until the treaty of San Francisco in 1951 when Japan officially renounced claims over their territories in China and Korea. The one thing, though, is there were no stipulations as to who they were giving those territories to.

    That said, even if they transfered sovereignty to the KMT, was the KMT really the rightful successor.

    Finally, this post wasn't even about that line. It was about recognition of Taiwan in light of what Taiwan is now. The fact that China and Taiwan are, by any rubric you put it up against, separate countries.

    So, if tomorrow, the whole world tomorrow recognized Taiwan, what would change? Nothing. Unless China couldn't accept the reality of the situation and attack.

    Otherwise, two separate countries would go on being separate countries. Taiwan would still invest in China...and so on.....

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  11. Fair enough - I thought of that possible explanation after posting, but it's somewhat reassuring to hear you confirm it. (I tend to get somewhat uncomfortable when I either really agree or really disagree with a single author's stances)

    It would appear that whether or not the fate of Taiwan was determined by any post-war treaty would be rather irrelevant at this point of time. As it stands it's rather ambiguous and thus both Taiwan and China have taken advantage of that as best they can.

    I think you're on the right track by looking at Taiwan as it is today - the fact that is in indeed de facto independent is a strong argument if you are not predisposed to believe China's claims.

    Anyway, looking forward to continued analysis from you!

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  12. One last note, though: I don't get paid doing this. I do it because it interests me.

    I just hope, sometime soon, I'll start making a little money off of this, so I can devote more time to it.

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  13. I also think arguments based on the present day reality are more productive than convoluted historical arguments (which either side could engage in).

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  14. Hey Mark, I read about the argument of Qing and Ming long ago but the following blogger had summarized all the official reference

    http://aw55.blogspot.com/2007/01/blog-post_116949210082647902.html

    In fact, the blogger not only referenced all the Qing and Ming source that "Taiwan does not belong to China", he even point out that even Mao had mentioned to help Taiwan Independent in one of his speech.

    The blogger had of course included all the source, Lot of source are official Qing and Ming document, I think they are more "authoritative" than most of English source.

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  15. That's another political advocacy site. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I have no way of evaluating how authoritative which of its sources are, and due to the nature of the site, it's virtually guaranteed that they're very selective about what evidence to talk about.

    There are also mainland sites that point to "official Ming and Qing documents that are more authoritative than most English sources". For these kinds of Asian disputes, such as the Nanjing Massacare for example, it takes quite a scholar to wade through the propaganda machinery of either side.

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  16. Yes it is political advocacy site. That's why I state the blogger "summarize" the "source" instead of "According to this site". I know for sure the printed version of the source can easily be found at any of major university (I recall I had even seen a some of them at UCLA or USC).

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  17. Sorry Mark, I just realize the link I posted does not work. Guess you didn't even bother to see what it has to say before you conclude it's a propaganda site (well, it is) that's not worth to see.

    I assume we research in different way (I usually read both side of propaganda and then try read between the lines). Then again, neither of us are Asian historical scholars,I guess this discussion is not going anywhere.

    In another topic, love your "Laowai Duel" with Prince Roy, they are great.

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  18. Mark wrote:

    "General MacArthur was officially made Shogun, and his orders had legal weight."

    The position of shogun 征夷大将軍 was abolished with the Meiji Restoration in 1867. MacArthur's official title was "Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers of Japan". A more accurate description of MacArthur's role in the occupation of Japan can be found in the title of William Manchester's biography, "American Caesar".

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